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<p>Here in the Triangle, there are some gas stations that sell
ethanol free gas, which I now use in my chain saw, lawn mower and
weedeater. I used to have lots of problems with gumming up but
now, since I've been using ethanol free gas, I don't. Stabilizer
works too.<br>
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<p>Is there a place in Wytheville area that sells ethanol free gas?
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/25/2021 9:11 PM, steve lund via
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I will also
note that FMST assigns chainsaws and trimmers to specific
volunteers. These volunteers are responsible for the care and
maintenance of these tools. This might provide some of the
"accountability" that PATH is searching for. If the
maintenance is beyond their skill level then it is their
responsibility to get the tool to a volunteer who can perform
such maintenance. We also have periodic "roundups" especially
of the weedeaters during the off season to do preventive
maintenance.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thanks,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 8:54
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<div dir="auto">Steve’s comments on gas powered equipment are
valid. I learned from some old pros to use stabilizer in my
gas and pay for premium in saws, weed eaters and atv’s.
I’ve had a lot less issues following that guidance. I’d
agree that it’s best to dump the gas and run them dry
between uses. </div>
<div dir="auto">At home we’re using stuff weekly. PATH tools
get used monthly at most and that’s not EVERY piece! So gas
sits in the carb doing it’s best to gum up the works. 🥴</div>
<div dir="auto">As for battery tools, like everything else,
you pay for what u get. I’d opt for a Dewalt or Milwaukee
set that has multiple tools and an extra battery or 2. JMO
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<div dir="auto">Jerry</div>
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6:11 PM steve lund via Path-list <<a
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and PATH,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I
think the hand tools should be pretty
self-explanatory. IMHO cheap tools are a poor value
proposition. HF is much more miss than hit. It is
rare to find a HF tool that is durable and works as
it should. They can't even make a parts cleaning
brush that the bristles won't immediately start
falling out of!</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Unless
something has changed that I haven't heard about
battery powered and top handle (as opposed to rear
handle) chainsaws are not covered in the USFS saw
policy and are therefore not allowed. Saw chaps are
ineffective against the torque of a battery operated
saw. "top handles" are a special purpose arborist
saw with greatly increased kickback potential.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">As
far as gas powered tools go ethanol and old stale
gas are the big killers of OPE. Since it is unknown
when these tools will see their next use they should
be drained of gas after usage and the carburetors
run dry. FMST has been using the attached guidelines
and it has significantly reduced our OPE issues.
BTW, chainsaws should be considered a high
maintenance precision instrument. Forcing the saw to
cut with a dull chain is another good way to kill a
chainsaw.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">My
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at 3:27 PM Herb MacDonald via Path-list <<a
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<div dir="ltr">I really wasn't commening on the
procedure in place for hand trail tools. I am a
big user of that, with PATH hand tools and my own
tools: Pulasski, small folding hand saw, loppers
and hand trimmers. I also have a PATH fire rake, <span
style="font-family:sans-serif">silky saw </span>and
calf protectors. We have a good inventory of those
types of tools, although they need periodic
sharpening/repair. The need is in powered tools,
bench tools and powered trimmers/chainsaws with
grant funding. Most of those are very
old,incomplete or not maintained. Chris is right
about battery operated powered tools(Bland shed
has no electricity). if the batteries are not
charged, after their use, they are of no use on a
work day. Perhaps a sign out log with a sign
easily read at the barns, detailing expectations
on how powered tools are used and returned to the
barns? Maybe Steve Lund could suggest a tool list
for our type of work on the trail and tool
maintenance.
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2021 at 10:47 AM Jim Houck via Path-list <<a
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style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">Follow-up rebuttal to
Herbs email.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">Let's use 2 categories. </font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">1) Trail tools. Used for
trail work.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">2) Shop tools. Used in
the shop.</font></div>
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face="sans-serif"><br>
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<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">1) Trail tools: I've
allowed volunteers to keep club tools in
their possession so as not to have to go
by the tool barn to pick up and drop off
every time they wanted to work on the
trail.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">So far this has worked
well and there's no shortage of tools in
either of our tool sheds.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">I have complete
confidence and trust that our members will
do the right thing.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">Hand saws, Loppers &
Work gloves: All regular workers should
have these in their possession and bring
them when they come to the trail.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">If you want a silky saw
let me know as I'm going to purchase some
more soon. If you prefer a different type
of hand saw purchase it & the club
will reimburse you.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">If you don't have your
own loppers to bring, purchase a pair
& the club will reimburse you. </font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">Fisker makes some good
loppers of different lengths and sizes
they are at Home Depot and Lowe's.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">Same for work gloves.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">LET ME KNOW ASAP !!</font></div>
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<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">We DO need someone(s) to
oversee & maintain our tools,
including our power equipment. </font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">Winterizing gas powered
equipment is essential. </font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">I too am miffed about
the missing chainsaw from the Bland shed !</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif"><br>
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<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">2) Shop tools:
Wrenches, Drills, Circular saws, etc.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">Chris knows where some
of these are stored in the Sugar Grove
tool barn.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">We need to inventory
& decide what we need.</font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">Some need to be cordless
& some need to be corded. </font></div>
<div><font
style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"
face="sans-serif">We DO need an angle
grinder !</font></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif">As
for "no control", yes & no.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Unless
someone steps up to oversee, We'll have to
rely on PATH members to return tools &
PUT THEM BACK WHERE THEY BELONG, & NOT
JUST PUTTING THEM DOWN ANYWHERE !!</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif">We
need organization to know what we have.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Any
purchases need to be completed before the
end of this year to qualify for Josh's ATC
grant.</span></div>
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<div>From: Herb MacDonald <<a
href="mailto:herbmacdonald999@gmail.com"
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<div>Date: 7/23/21 7:31 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: Jim Houck <<a
href="mailto:houckjw@bellsouth.net"
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<div>Cc: Chris Bracknell <<a
href="mailto:wbracknell@juno.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wbracknell@juno.com</a>>,
Betsy Truscott <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">btrus@infionline.net</a>>,
Jerry Adams <<a
href="mailto:jeradams106@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jeradams106@gmail.com</a>>,
David Atkinson <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">1david.atkinson@gmail.com</a>>,
David Faucette <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dfaucette1948@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>Subject: Tools for the SG tool barn. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Jim, I've been doing a little
leg work and thinking about your request to
clean up and take an inventory of tools at
the tool barn. Most of what's there is very
old and has not been maintained in years.
There are odds and ends of tools, some
incomplete sets with pieces missing. Adding
in the current issue with members taking
tools home, so only they can use, not
maintaining those tools and then not doing
the work. I question buying replacement
tools or new tools. Many people know the
code to get into the barns and storage
cabinets. There is a list on the wall
requesting new or replacement items for the
SG Barn, but it is several years old with no
action. I just don't think buying one tool
or many tools is a good move. There is no
control at either barn, tools get taken
without anyone knowing who took them. New
stuff will go missing, need maintenance or
get broken easily. The same holds true for
the chain saws and trimmers you asked Chris
to purchase. Chris and I personally a few
years ago worked one day maintaining the
chain saws and powered trimmers, sorting out
the operating ones from the rest. Another
time we worked with members to maintain and
sharpen the trail hand tools. Once I found
a chain saw at the Bland Shed
completely dull, stuffed with saw dust in
the filer area, no operating tools,no gas,
etc. I took it home, corrected all that and
got it running again (new spark plug &
filter). It shortly disappeared from the
shed when I was counting on it for some
work. Every year some of these gas operated
tools need to be winterized too as well as
made ready for the Summer work season. Many
members use their own personal tools that
they can count on.
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<div>Recently, a Harbor Freight retail store
opened in Elkin. I stopped to see what
they had, which was about everything. I
thought of all the things we could use in
the club, but as I said, I don't think it
would be a good idea with no control or
maintenance to keep them there ready to
use. For around $250, I could
get a battery operated
drill, reciprocating saw, as well as an
angle grinder and a circular saw (corded
or battery operated). Maybe some extra
(20V) batteries too. .What is your
pleasure?</div>
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<div>Herb </div>
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