[Path-list] Tools for the Bland & SG tool barn.
Jack Bookman
bookman at math.duke.edu
Sun Jul 25 20:05:51 MDT 2021
Here in the Triangle, there are some gas stations that sell ethanol free
gas, which I now use in my chain saw, lawn mower and weedeater. I used
to have lots of problems with gumming up but now, since I've been using
ethanol free gas, I don't. Stabilizer works too.
Is there a place in Wytheville area that sells ethanol free gas?
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Jack Bookman
On 7/25/2021 9:11 PM, steve lund via Path-list wrote:
> Path,
>
> I will also note that FMST assigns chainsaws and trimmers to specific
> volunteers. These volunteers are responsible for the care and
> maintenance of these tools. This might provide some of the
> "accountability" that PATH is searching for. If the maintenance is
> beyond their skill level then it is their responsibility to get the
> tool to a volunteer who can perform such maintenance. We also have
> periodic "roundups" especially of the weedeaters during the off season
> to do preventive maintenance.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 8:54 PM Jerry Adams <jeradams106 at gmail.com
> <mailto:jeradams106 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Steve’s comments on gas powered equipment are valid. I learned
> from some old pros to use stabilizer in my gas and pay for premium
> in saws, weed eaters and atv’s. I’ve had a lot less issues
> following that guidance. I’d agree that it’s best to dump the gas
> and run them dry between uses.
> At home we’re using stuff weekly. PATH tools get used monthly at
> most and that’s not EVERY piece! So gas sits in the carb doing
> it’s best to gum up the works. 🥴
> As for battery tools, like everything else, you pay for what u
> get. I’d opt for a Dewalt or Milwaukee set that has multiple
> tools and an extra battery or 2. JMO 😁
>
> Jerry
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 6:11 PM steve lund via Path-list
> <path-list at path-at.org <mailto:path-list at path-at.org>> wrote:
>
> Herb and PATH,
>
> I think the hand tools should be pretty self-explanatory. IMHO
> cheap tools are a poor value proposition. HF is much more miss
> than hit. It is rare to find a HF tool that is durable and
> works as it should. They can't even make a parts cleaning
> brush that the bristles won't immediately start falling out of!
>
> Unless something has changed that I haven't heard about
> battery powered and top handle (as opposed to rear handle)
> chainsaws are not covered in the USFS saw policy and are
> therefore not allowed. Saw chaps are ineffective against the
> torque of a battery operated saw. "top handles" are a special
> purpose arborist saw with greatly increased kickback potential.
>
> As far as gas powered tools go ethanol and old stale gas are
> the big killers of OPE. Since it is unknown when these tools
> will see their next use they should be drained of gas after
> usage and the carburetors run dry. FMST has been using the
> attached guidelines and it has significantly reduced our OPE
> issues. BTW, chainsaws should be considered a high maintenance
> precision instrument. Forcing the saw to cut with a dull chain
> is another good way to kill a chainsaw.
>
> My $,02,
> Steve
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 3:27 PM Herb MacDonald via Path-list
> <path-list at path-at.org <mailto:path-list at path-at.org>> wrote:
>
> I really wasn't commening on the procedure in place for
> hand trail tools. I am a big user of that, with PATH
> hand tools and my own tools: Pulasski, small folding hand
> saw, loppers and hand trimmers. I also have a PATH fire
> rake, silky saw and calf protectors. We have a good
> inventory of those types of tools, although they need
> periodic sharpening/repair. The need is in powered tools,
> bench tools and powered trimmers/chainsaws with grant
> funding. Most of those are very old,incomplete or not
> maintained. Chris is right about battery operated powered
> tools(Bland shed has no electricity). if the batteries are
> not charged, after their use, they are of no use on a work
> day. Perhaps a sign out log with a sign easily read at
> the barns, detailing expectations on how powered tools are
> used and returned to the barns? Maybe Steve Lund could
> suggest a tool list for our type of work on the trail
> and tool maintenance.
>
> Herb
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:47 AM Jim Houck via Path-list
> <path-list at path-at.org <mailto:path-list at path-at.org>> wrote:
>
>
> Follow-up rebuttal to Herbs email.
> Let's use 2 categories.
> 1) Trail tools. Used for trail work.
> 2) Shop tools. Used in the shop.
>
> 1) Trail tools: I've allowed volunteers to keep club
> tools in their possession so as not to have to go by
> the tool barn to pick up and drop off every time they
> wanted to work on the trail.
> So far this has worked well and there's no shortage of
> tools in either of our tool sheds.
> I have complete confidence and trust that our members
> will do the right thing.
> Hand saws, Loppers & Work gloves: All regular workers
> should have these in their possession and bring them
> when they come to the trail.
> If you want a silky saw let me know as I'm going to
> purchase some more soon. If you prefer a different
> type of hand saw purchase it & the club will reimburse
> you.
> If you don't have your own loppers to bring, purchase
> a pair & the club will reimburse you.
> Fisker makes some good loppers of different lengths
> and sizes they are at Home Depot and Lowe's.
> Same for work gloves.
> LET ME KNOW ASAP !!
>
> We DO need someone(s) to oversee & maintain our tools,
> including our power equipment.
> Winterizing gas powered equipment is essential.
> I too am miffed about the missing chainsaw from the
> Bland shed !
>
> 2) Shop tools: Wrenches, Drills, Circular saws, etc.
> Chris knows where some of these are stored in the
> Sugar Grove tool barn.
> We need to inventory & decide what we need.
> Some need to be cordless & some need to be corded.
> We DO need an angle grinder !
>
> As for "no control", yes & no.
> Unless someone steps up to oversee, We'll have to rely
> on PATH members to return tools & PUT THEM BACK WHERE
> THEY BELONG, & NOT JUST PUTTING THEM DOWN ANYWHERE !!
> We need organization to know what we have.
>
> Any purchases need to be completed before the end of
> this year to qualify for Josh's ATC grant.
>
> Jim
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> Sent from my Galaxy Tab®
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Herb MacDonald <herbmacdonald999 at gmail.com
> <mailto:herbmacdonald999 at gmail.com>>
> Date: 7/23/21 7:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Jim Houck <houckjw at bellsouth.net
> <mailto:houckjw at bellsouth.net>>
> Cc: Chris Bracknell <wbracknell at juno.com
> <mailto:wbracknell at juno.com>>, Betsy Truscott
> <btrus at infionline.net <mailto:btrus at infionline.net>>,
> Jerry Adams <jeradams106 at gmail.com
> <mailto:jeradams106 at gmail.com>>, David Atkinson
> <1david.atkinson at gmail.com
> <mailto:1david.atkinson at gmail.com>>, David Faucette
> <dfaucette1948 at gmail.com
> <mailto:dfaucette1948 at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Tools for the SG tool barn.
>
> Jim, I've been doing a little leg work and thinking
> about your request to clean up and take an inventory
> of tools at the tool barn. Most of what's there is
> very old and has not been maintained in years. There
> are odds and ends of tools, some incomplete sets with
> pieces missing. Adding in the current issue with
> members taking tools home, so only they can use, not
> maintaining those tools and then not doing the work.
> I question buying replacement tools or new tools.
> Many people know the code to get into the barns and
> storage cabinets. There is a list on the wall
> requesting new or replacement items for the SG Barn,
> but it is several years old with no action. I just
> don't think buying one tool or many tools is a good
> move. There is no control at either barn, tools get
> taken without anyone knowing who took them. New stuff
> will go missing, need maintenance or get broken
> easily. The same holds true for the chain saws and
> trimmers you asked Chris to purchase. Chris and I
> personally a few years ago worked one day maintaining
> the chain saws and powered trimmers, sorting out the
> operating ones from the rest. Another time we worked
> with members to maintain and sharpen the trail hand
> tools. Once I found a chain saw at the Bland Shed
> completely dull, stuffed with saw dust in the filer
> area, no operating tools,no gas, etc. I took it home,
> corrected all that and got it running again (new spark
> plug & filter). It shortly disappeared from the shed
> when I was counting on it for some work. Every year
> some of these gas operated tools need to be winterized
> too as well as made ready for the Summer work season.
> Many members use their own personal tools that they
> can count on.
>
> Recently, a Harbor Freight retail store opened in
> Elkin. I stopped to see what they had, which was
> about everything. I thought of all the things we
> could use in the club, but as I said, I don't think it
> would be a good idea with no control or maintenance to
> keep them there ready to use. For around $250, I could
> get a battery operated drill, reciprocating saw, as
> well as an angle grinder and a circular saw (corded or
> battery operated). Maybe some extra (20V) batteries
> too. .What is your pleasure?
>
> Herb
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